Beyond the Olympic Strength

[ELiteDiscovery]

Do you think it is possible to go further beyond the strength of Olympic Strength and do stuff like one-armed iron crosses, or one-armed Malteses on the rings? Please share your thoughts

[Steve Low]

One arm front lever is possible. Don't think so with the ones you listed as they're not physiologically possible to have enough grip strength to do that.

As for stuff beyond that probably... but since they're not actual moves no one trains for anything like that.

[ELiteDiscovery]

I have trouble believing that these movements are impossible. To a mortal's eye, a maltese or victorian seems impossible, but it is still plently possible with the correct training and extreme dedication. Perhaps that same thought can be said about us pursuers and Olympian gymnasts......They may not be able to comprehend the fact of doing such movements because of their past experiences...According to many different studies, we have not begun to unlock our physical and mental capacities yet, perhaps its for the best but if we were able to harness these latent abilities, we could probably find out how to levitate.

[Steve Low]

Uhhh, right.

So you're saying that humans somewhere inside them have the ability to counteract gravity?

Looks like you already made up your mind. I don't know why you even asked the question(s) in the first place.

[ELiteDiscovery]

Ah there's no need to be such a grump! Perhaps flying is beyond human capability, but I did not seek answers, then answered my own questions. I shared my thoughts and asked to share yours.

Back before 1954, the 4 minute mile was considered impossible. In 1954, Robert Bannister, a man who dared to challenge this, broke the 4 minute mile. The first man to ever do so with a time of 3 minutes and 59.4 seconds. Weeks after this happened, several men also broke this record because they knew it could be done. Since then, 17 seconds have been shaven off of Bannister's time.

NOW I will ask a another question ...Do you wish to do something parallel to Banister, one who dared to discover the capabilities of a human being and advance the knowledge of ring training as we know it, or do you wish to merely wait for another Robert to come by, and aspire to do what he can do and feel content?

If you do not aspire to achieve the impossible,something that no human has dared dreamed of before, then what's the point of training at all?

[jshaw]

i'm sorry, i'm gonna have to agree with steve on this one. when they said it was impossible to run a 4 minute mile, they were already running sub 5 minute miles, so they weren't that far off. now picture how hard it is to do an iron cross or a maltese. compare doing an iron cross with running a 4 minute mile. both are difficult tasks and take a great deal of training to even attempt. with a one arm cross, you're taking away 50% of your strength, since you can only use one arm. that means you have to be twice as strong. that's like trying to run a 2 minute mile. what makes it even worse is the balance part of it, so in addition to having enough strength to hold yourself up with one arm, you need the additional strength and stability to hold yourself up. that's like trying to run a 2 minute mile hopping on one leg.

[roman]

i'm sorry, i'm gonna have to agree with steve on this one. when they said it was impossible to run a 4 minute mile, they were already running sub 5 minute miles, so they weren't that far off. now picture how hard it is to do an iron cross or a maltese. compare doing an iron cross with running a 4 minute mile. both are difficult tasks and take a great deal of training to even attempt. with a one arm cross, you're taking away 50% of your strength, since you can only use one arm. that means you have to be twice as strong. that's like trying to run a 2 minute mile. what makes it even worse is the balance part of it, so in addition to having enough strength to hold yourself up with one arm, you need the additional strength and stability to hold yourself up. that's like trying to run a 2 minute mile hopping on one leg.

Yep. Very good analogy!

[ELiteDiscovery]

aw man.... tell ya what....i`ll return to this website and post pictures of me doing a one arm iron cross in about 15 years. i`ll make history!!!

[Steve Low]

aw man.... tell ya what....i`ll return to this website and post pictures of me doing a one arm iron cross in about 15 years. i`ll make history!!!

i wont hold my breath.

[KCE]

Sorry to resurrect this thread but I just had to mention the C.T.I. done by Jasper Benincasa since he seems to be the only person ever to have done it:

Jasper Benincasa
From johngill.net

A former resident of Brooklyn, NY, Benincasa, now in his 80s, lives in Las Vegas. He has relearned a one-arm chin, despite a lack of muscle tissue - he credits his latest achievement to "strong tendons and ligaments" and a diminished weight of approximately 126 lbs [@ 5'7"]. The photo to the left[below] shows Jasper doing what he called a "CTI" (Close To Impossible) - a levered position that seems to defy the principles of physics, clearly requiring a phenomenal grip. He said he held it for about 3 seconds.

From beastskills.com:

JB: It definitely does. I’ve found that. Have you ever seen him do the C.T.I.? [The Close To Impossible, a move where one is off the ground, holding onto the bar with their arms horizontal to the ground.]


Jasper Benincasa - CTI (close to impossible)
Panama City Beach, Florida - 1940's

JA: No. I didn’t know he could do the C.T.I.. He said that the C.T.I. in the picture was done in front of a crowd on a horizontal bar. Jasper says that a young Bobby Bowden was in attendance there as well. He's recently told me a list of his other strength accomplishments and stories. When he was 17 years old in high school he says he did 130 consecutive chin-ups, which was so boring that he never did two arm chin-ups again. Instead he started working on doing strength skills that no one else could do.

In 1948 he says he did a one arm chin with an extra 82 lbs [~37kg]. This 82 extra pounds was in the form of a small boy he held in one arm! That same year, he did 20 alternating one arm chins (one with left, then one with right) with 25 extra pounds. So that's 10 one arm chins each side with extra weight.

In 1952, at a Madison Square Garden exhibition, actor Sir Rex Harrison was there and asked Jasper to "do something for us". Jasper asked if he could put his legs around Rex's wife and climb up a rope. Understandably she said no! He climbed the rope in a front lever instead, to crowd applause. Apparently he was quite confident in his rope climbing ability already as he said he had climbed the rope before with a 148 lbs (~67 kg) of extra weight!

In 1961, at age 41, he did 50 alternating one arm chins, 25 each side. He said he'd chin along a 6 foot section of scaffolding. This way he could simply continue in one direction without having to stop and turn around as often. That same year he also did 19 consecutive one arm chins with his right arm and 18 consecutive ones with his left on a horizontal bar.

He actually never said much of his achievements back then. Apparently he was annoyed at people who didn’t believe his achievements. One newspaper reporter wouldn’t write down his feats because he didn’t believe Jasper. Some of his achievements, like the number of consecutive one arm chins I saw it in record books - “Super Athletes”. He never mentioned that at all because when I saw him, I never saw him do consecutive one arm chins, he did alternates. He did say, when pressed later on, he found that less likely for injury to do that, so he did the alternates and gave up the one arm chins directly. He’s 22 years older than me, I guess I only met him since I was maybe 15, so he was already 37 when I met him, so he wasn’t “old” per se…

Hey steve do you think that is even possible? or is he just bs'in...The progression I think to work up to a "CTI", would be do a pull-up, and at the top start to push yourself out horizontally so your shoulders get further and further away from your hands. I wish the person who took the picture took his legs too, just for evidence or maybe ask Bobby Bowden. From the picture it looks like his body is slightly inward; his feet are located somewhere under the pull-up bar. It seems like he is defying gravity but based on my picture it seems possible, provided you have superman lats. If what he says about his OAC accomplishments are for real, it seems more reasonable. The move looks similar to doing a fullbody lat-pulldown with straight arms. I guess you could call it a forward lever or seated lever (looks like he's sitting kinda)?



PS:
Oh yea and with the one-arm cross, it *might* be possible if you tilted your body to the side similar to the C.T.I., kinda like a lateral C.T.I. From what I remember from physics (engineering major), it seems the force required to support a cross approaches infinity as the body becomes straighter, or approaches a perfect 90 degree angle (like below lol) so in reality, all the crosses we see approach 90, but are pretty damn close and impressive.
PHYSICS/MATH of IRON CROSS
PHYSICS/MATH of IRON CROSS(has diagrams)




rofl - I really doubt Phelps would be able to do an iron cross when his arms are several inches longer than his height, then again he has wide shoulders, and wider shoulders make it easier because less force is needed.
wide shoulders + short arms + shorter frame = easier cross
Unfortunately I have wide shoulders and long arms and almost six feet

[Steve Low]

1. The math on the geocities site is wrong. The human body uses.. gasp.. muscles to counteract the torque at the joint. The muscles are NOT connected to the point of origin (aka directly on the ball of the shoulder) so the calculations are wrong.

2. If you look at the drawing of the CTI and pinpoint the center of gravity, it's NOT directly under the bar centered. Thus, the biggest factor is GRIP strength not lats or any other strength. If you have the grip strength against a BAR to keep your hands from ripping down (which is huge because the arms are straight giving a big torque) then you can do CTI. If anyone could do it.. it was probably Benincasa... but I wish it was a better picture.

Anyway, uh, yeah the other stuff you suggestion is still impossible. :p

[roman]

lol I would say most of this thread falls under the same category as the infamous "No handed Planche"...


http://www.beastskills.com/AF2007.htm

[embronika]

What's the difference between a world record and an olympic record? I always see them in the olympics but i don't know why it's there. The world records are always faster than olympic records.
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[admin]

The difference is that the World Record is the fastest or best result anywhere, including the Olympics. The Olympic Record is the best result posted at the Olympic Games only.